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Post by chicago on Aug 14, 2012 14:25:51 GMT -5
ok, I think I've finally decided on the next most important piece of furniture. I'm going to go with a carbine stock rather than the PRS. My reasoning, twofold. I wanted simple, no riser drop down stock with cheek adjust. But, since I can't do that, I'll get a new Killjoy riser and a standard magpul stock which should run the same as the really cool, magpul sniper stock. and, originally, I was thinking of that Olive Drab anodizing with Dark earth furniture. Really trick it out. But, again, more cash out so I think I'll go the basics with black and the same for all the accessories. So I'm one step closer to ordering the marker. However, may be some one can answer/confirm this. I'm assuming that cylinder/tube is commercial AR15 size, and not the military size. Is that correct?
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Post by chicago on Aug 14, 2012 18:50:36 GMT -5
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Post by avengingangel on Aug 15, 2012 10:10:39 GMT -5
go for it Chicago, you only live once. And, there's not that much time left anyway!
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Post by chicago on Aug 15, 2012 11:38:14 GMT -5
Hello everyone. This is Bill Holstein from CCM. After getting an e-mail from Trinity , I thought I would drop by and answer a few questions. Why do we call it a prototype? The SR1 is something I have wanted to build for years. The FS made this dream possible.This is the sixth model we have built This is our (CCM) first step into the mil-sim world. So it really is a prototype for us. But, our air system is the tried and true Sheridan valve which has been used in many paintball guns of which the most well known is the autococker. Our reg is based on the old Bob Long torpedo regulator. We have used these regs and valves in our pump guns for about 12 years now. These are a very stable combination with very little to no issues. The basic rifle with barrel and no furniture is $450 + shipping. hard black anodizing. dust black hard anodizing add $65 clear hard ano (od greenish) add $100 import furniture add $55 These prices are subject to change. ( usually up and not down) The gun weights about 5+/- lbs with furniture. Depending on what you buy. No furniture I'm guessing 3 1/2 lbs. We were going to add a picatinny but the choices that are available makes it almost impossible to pick one. The top of the gun is drilled with 7 holes 1" apart. That will fit anything out there I would like to think. They are tapped 10-32.We use button head and flat head screws. I use shells as sizers because FS do vary in diameter. But the real reason is that I wanted a true boltaction paintball gun. Why no mag? It's hard to design a mag that is 100% reliable for paintball or nose heavy FS rounds. But stay tuned. Yes you can lock a shell/sizer in the breach and single load the FS or you can load shells and eject them just like the real steel. It's a single shot. I feel so out gunned. I don't want to pick up shells. I don't want to single feed FS. This gun is not for you. I can load ,aim and fire. 6 seconds shot to shot and I'm an old guy. Remember distance is your friend. There is nothing wrong with a tactical retreat. definitions: A withdrawal is a type of military operation, generally meaning retreating forces back while maintaining contact with the enemy. Dreaming about being a painball sniper in the real sense is now a reality. One more note, this is not a paintball gun. It was designed for FS. with paintballs its just another paintball gun.You will get the crap shot out of you using paintballs. any questions? Thank you for your time. Bill-CCM Bill, would you mind finding someone to up load some pix. Like the different receiver anodizing possibilities. And one more question, who is making the barrels for you? Are they rifled? And, what is their length? Honestly, the one thing holding me back. It is the barrel and how it threads. May be a drawing/illustration. Hammerhead makes rifled barrels with "fins." The fins are autococker thread in various bore sizes. If the cocker only needs to be a certain bore size, I think these would work (like 0.686). If they need to be modded, I'd be willing to buy one and mod it (the fin, not your receiver).
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Post by trinity on Aug 15, 2012 16:25:16 GMT -5
Chicago,
I am talking to Bill about your email but some of the questions you pose, I can answer. The barrel length that is going out with the current prototypes is 14" long and it is a smooth bore. CCM is making the barrels. I am currently testing a much shorter barrel that is also a smooth barrel. I haven't had the chance to do any definitive testing between the two but knowing the way you play I can see the shorter barrel possibly working better for you although I don't think Bill has settled on a final length for that one.
There are photos on my blog (two posts ago) of each of the different ano colors. After my use of using and seeing all of the finishes I would suggest just getting the hard black ano. I think it will wear the best, especially in the areas around where the bolt arm slides through the frame. For the one I bought, I had Bill enlarge the size of the ball on the bolt handle because I found it was a bit easier to grasp with gloves on. He also bead blasted the arm on the bolt just below the handle to cut down on glare. Pictures are coming to my blog real soon. You can find the posts with the pictures on my Blog by either going down to the list of posts on the bottom right or clicking CCM on the labels. In the alternative, go to Mcarterbrown's Forum. Check the Our Community part of the forum for CCM's name. Under CCM's section you will see a whole lot of photos of the various ano finishes and ideas for furniture. There is is an intense discussion about the SR1 on that forum under several threads that deal with optics and furniture.
I will need Bill's input on the size of the buffer tube for the car stock. I don't have one and although I saw it, I never asked where it was AR15 or milspec. As I recall, someone on the Mcarterbrown forum discussed the buffer tube sizing issue. My suggestion though is just go with the PRS. After all, for the man who has a real 512 EoTech mounted, what's a few bucks for the PRS. That said, I am finding that I also really like the A2 on this gun and I have never really favored that stock style on any gun I have had in the past.
Looking at your furniture selections I think that the clear ano with the colors you selected would be pretty sharp.
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Post by trinity on Aug 15, 2012 17:17:24 GMT -5
The bore size on the barrel is .690 and the outside diameter is 1".
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Post by chicago on Aug 16, 2012 10:55:51 GMT -5
Thanks, I finally found the section in your blog with the three colours. To be honest, the one of a kind 0.690 bore barrel bothers me greatly. Enough to regret having ordered some of the furniture and the extra scope. Oh, and the reason I'm going carbine stock instead of PRS is that an old shoulder injury won't allow me to extend my left arm that far. So, I'm afraid now (after getting more info and measurements) that I can't afford the extra length that the PRS stock will add.
Bill's got to do something about those barrels! What about those "fins" from hammerhead?
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Post by trinity on Aug 16, 2012 11:10:14 GMT -5
We are talking about the barrel issue but from what Bill has said to me and what he is talking about on line at mcarterbrown the barrel issue can be easily solved. Send Bill a PM and tell him about your concerns. This rifle is still at the prototype stage and changes ate being made to it.
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Post by chicago on Aug 16, 2012 14:45:38 GMT -5
I went to mcasterbrown and there are a couple of threads talking about the SR1. Didn't see anything on the barrel.
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Post by trinity on Aug 16, 2012 16:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by chicago on Aug 17, 2012 10:49:37 GMT -5
Thanks, I pm'ed Bill and went to those threads (you provided the link for). He also responded to my PM. I'll wait and see what Bill comes up with!
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Post by trinity on Aug 17, 2012 16:50:51 GMT -5
Your post made me realize I probably need to get those pictures up of the various ano colors on the SR1. They are on my blog and I meant to get them up here too. Just never got around to it. I have been fighting off some thing akin to an ebola virus. I am beginning to think it must be something like West Nile virus given to me as a parting gift by one of the aircraft-size mosquitoes that make their home outside of CCM's building. Forget DEET for taking out those things; they are the size of an ultralight plane. Think RPG.
I also understand the problem of being restricted to only a single-maker's barrels. Bill is doing a bit of work with his barrels. I am testing the shorter barrel against his 14" barrel. I am also testing another barrel configuration that might just make me happy with a smooth barrel, at least for the short term. In any case, maybe the ideal case would be a cocker thread that would permit any player to use CCMs barrel or any cocker-threaded barrel from any barrel maker.
Trust me. I truly understand your obsession with accuracy. I share it. In the end a first strike round has a given set of ballistics. No matter which gun they are fired out of they are still first strikes. The player with the accuracy edge will be the one who pays attention to the details such as shooting practice, velocity consistency, accurate range estimation, and using the best equipment (not just rifle) he/she can find. I still believe that the a rifled barrel gets the first strike stabilized and spinning up quicker and I think that improves accuracy.
Of course it goes without saying that the rifle also has to work flawlessly when you pull the trigger. A single-shot bolt action has less potential for problems than a semi-auto with a magazine, and much less than the new RAP-4 full-auto mags.
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Post by trinity on Aug 18, 2012 18:04:08 GMT -5
This is the kind of quality that makes me love using this rifle. I have been testing the SR1 prototype and found that when wearing gloves that often are wet (rain or sweat) and muddy from crawling through the dirt my hands wanted a slightly larger knob on the bolt handle. That's especially true because as a lefty using a left-handed bolt the breach and handle are on the other side of the rifle from my eyes. I talked to Bill about the knob for my own gun (which I just picked up) and he said he made the stock knob to fit the proportions of the gun, but that he would try something a bit bigger. I expressed a bit of concern over the glint from the shiny metal on the bolt handle and he also bead-blasted that. Here is the product: How beautiful is that? CCM has someone on staff who does engraving so I just had to take advantage of that too. Here is a comparison of the stock bolt against the one Bill put on my rifle: And finally to give you a better idea of what the bolts like like when inside the gun a photo of the stock on the right and mine on the left. If they look like reversed images, that's because one is a left-handed bolt and one is a right-handed bolt.
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Post by avengingangel on Aug 18, 2012 19:50:54 GMT -5
Trinity, that looks awesome. Such fine work. And, you got your name on the gun! I wish I'd waited. From what you and Chicago have been saying this sounds like a precision machine. My dad and I are going out tomorrow. He thinks I'm timid; but, I just hang back to protect his flanks. This would have been the perfect rifle. Well, may be one day my dad will use the t9.1 and I can get an SR1CMM.
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Post by trinity on Aug 18, 2012 21:49:51 GMT -5
The SR1 is the first, true, precision paintball gun I have ever used. The next closest thing I can think of was the Angel A1 that I used when I played with the Fogdogs and before I jumped to using first strikes.
Don't regret the T9.1. You can shoot very tight groups with it and for protecting someone's flank the T9.1 is a much better weapon than the SR1. In fact, there are going to be many times when it will be the T9.1 that I will pick up depending on what it is that I have to get done. There is something to be said for having eight rounds in a magazine.
The SR1 is the perfect rifle for those one-shot kills and for hunting other snipers, which is increasingly what I look forward to on the field.
Besides, Chicago wants one and at his advanced years, he probably doesn't have much playing time left. Loss of mobility and all. Maybe, when he decides to hang up his walker, he will sell you his.
Speaking of one shot, one kill, has anyone else noticed that Top Paintball Sniper has adopted the motto of "One Shot, One Elimination"? C'mon guys! Political correctness in scenario paintball? Really? I was hoping Chicago could fill us in on the reasoning behind that. After all, Top Paintball Sniper is based in Canada.
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Post by chicago on Aug 19, 2012 9:57:08 GMT -5
Hey, my walker is in fine shape. Should keep me going for years!
And, "One Shot, One Elimination" sounds like you take a dump after every shot. That's not politically correct even if its true! They should change it to "One Shot, Tango Down."
AvengingAngel, you need to know this, I use a T9.1. I think you made an excellent decision selecting that marker. Trinity does too. The SR1 is for fringe players it's unique, and I believe Trinity as far as its accuracy and quality. So, I want one too. But will only use in in certain situations.
The SR1 is like a fine wine. You don't cook with; you, on special occasions, savor it!
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Post by chicago on Aug 20, 2012 10:30:17 GMT -5
A couple of heads up. I read your experience yesterday at the paintball field using what's called "limited paint play." So, with the SR1, it is definitely "limited paint." The T9.1 is what you need. You made the right decision. It is just going to take time to get used to.
But, your dad is right, I'd say that 90% of us don't "reload our mags on the field." As one mag is done, you should practice this and get a "dump pouch." You eject it, catch it, and stick the "spent mag" in that dump pouch so you won't lose it or have to fumble around putting it away. Then you then pull another full mag from one of your mag pouches. This doesn't take any longer than refilling a hopper! But, this is going to take time to get used to. You can practice this with with empty mags!
Oh! one more thing I wanted to mention. I like T4's, I almost won a bid on ebay for one the other day. and, it's true, they can use 14 round mags but they are not interchangeable mags with the T8.1/T9.1 models so that invest you made in a dozen new mags, well it won't help your t4. Have your dad order a second T9.1 or two T8.1s like your avatar shows! If he like gettin up in the "front" and moving around. he might like dual pistols which take the same mags and the T8.1s also fire first strikes.
Please don't get discouraged. You've only scratched the surface of magfed paintball. Oh, the T8.1/T9.1 have the same "internals" so your dad doesn't need to learn of a t4 or an SR1 internal operations and cleaning. And if he gets the T8.1 you can swap off with him and try out the pistol play too. Did I mention mags are interchangeable?
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Post by avengingangel on Aug 21, 2012 10:18:29 GMT -5
Thanks, my dad read this post last night too. I think he's going to wait til we go out again before he gets another marker. He said he didn't mind using the rentals and that I should try my T9.1 again before we spent any more money on this. I'm ok with that. Oh, as soon as the mags come in the mail, I'll start practicing like to you.
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Post by trinity on Aug 21, 2012 19:45:57 GMT -5
Chicago is giving you good advice. Old guys are valuable that way. The SR1 is like a precision surgical tool. When I need it for a special task nothing else will do. I am just at the beginning of the testing process so I am not yet ready to come down with a firm position on it yet, but I do have a few impressions that I feel comfortable sharing. The SR1 is far more consistent than my T9.1. It is also far quieter and when you add the Flasc suppressor it is just a deadly whisper in the woods. The SR1 also wins going away on pure reliability issues. The gun is simple and it's built like a real steel rifle.
Accuracy will be the real test and I haven't done extensive side-by-side testing yet. I have, however, done a little of that type of shooting. No controlled tests, just shooting one and then shooting the other at the same range. My guess is that the SR1 will be at least as accurate as my T9.1. More on that when I have done more testing.
Chicago's point is that the T9.1 makes a great general assault rifle. It's accurate, shoots first strikes, and has eight rounds in the mag when you need to put a lot of rounds downrange in a hurry. What's more, before you settle on something like the SR1, play a little more and figure out your style of play. How do you like to engage the enemy. Do you like that up-and-close, balls-going-everywhere style? Maybe shooting guys from 50-60 yards behind the front lines is more to your taste. The sniper role is a pretty lone-wolf style of play. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
Besides, Mil-Sig, Carmatech, and Scarab Arms are all on the cusp of introducing their respective versions of their own first-strike assault rifles. I wouldn't be surprised that players will find at least one of those rifles that surpasses the T9.1.
In short, it's a good time to be getting into the first strike game. Take your time figuring out what kind of player you are. It can get expensive buying a rifle until you have figured out the answer to that question. Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt.
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Post by chicago on Aug 22, 2012 10:53:12 GMT -5
I really like the Carmatech as well. Scarab Arms too new, too different. See, I can say these things cause I'm not sponsored by them (not saying Trinity is - no sinister double meaning). He's just more conservative with his words and opinions. Like Thumper in Disney's Bambi, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
But, since my next breath may be my last, I don't hold back any more. Don't have the time to be politically correct. Damn, gotta make another trip to the bathroom...don't go away.
Wow, no more sardine sandwiches with Charlene and Ginger after midnight! Any way where was I, oh!, I was in the bathroom...
Anyway, I want to tell you a little story (cause I think a second T9.1 is best for the father/daughter team - may be this time a sniper version - you did say you got the CQB version I think or may it was a ranger). I first got into paintball when my oldest son was a sophomore in high school. He wanted to go and so I did (kinda the opposite of you and your dad). So, after one or two outings, I got him a spyder (at the time probably the cheapest semi-automatic out there) for his birthday. Then I bought myself one. We started going every weekend. They were great for us.
We played for years with those markers. Go, have fun, get an inexpensive marker to begin with. I guess I consider Tiberius cheap compared to CCM's SR1 or Carmtech's. But, if you decide to still go that way, go to GMAN1 over on the Tiberius forum and buy it from his site. Ask for the Tiberius forum discount! or, tell I sent you. No, tell him Trinity sent you - he'll probably be more impressed.
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