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Post by casper on Jan 27, 2013 13:03:20 GMT -5
I went out to shot a bit for the first time since surgery.The conditions were a bit windy but nice. I wanted to get my optimizer down here are some findings.I worked with my 9.1 today.more precisly the optimizer.It is on top of a tib.riser I sighted it in at 50 yds opt. at 0 and tib riser at 1 click.my opt maxed out at 90 yds still needed a little more but was usable.Where are you setting your rail?1 or 2 clicks and then sighting in with the opt.?At 100 yds I had 3 clicks on the riser and opt. maxed out and was getting on target.
Had a few misfeeds with the 9.1 and a few fsr's go apart( no working chrony)over all a productive 80 rnds today.
I am leaving will clean this up a bit when I get home you guys get the general idea right ??
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Post by casper on Jan 29, 2013 19:28:17 GMT -5
Here are my optimizer numbers
Using a Tiberius adjustable riser(apr) and tiberius scope zeroed at 50 yds apr 1 click.
50 yds opt. 0
60 yds opt. 15
70 yds opt. 30
80 yds opt. 55
90 yds opt. 75
100 yds opt. max went 3 clicks on the apr.
some wind info.Had a slight intermitant cross wind (right to left) maybe 2-4 mph.At 70 yards had to go 2 dots right.80 yds 3 dots right.90 yds 4/5 dots 100 yds just saying more .
Next round of work I am going to go 2 or 3 clicks on the apr (optimizer at zero) and zero the scope.The optimizer tape on the dial is the stock one. I made marks on the numbers to go with distance.Thoughts or additions??
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Post by casper on Jan 30, 2013 23:24:07 GMT -5
Simple cheater card taped to my tank.  Optimizer with refrence marks.  The target 4 feet high and 18 inches wide nice base.Orange mark is the aim point,easy to see and consistant.Black makes it really easy to see hits.  Target started out as a thrown away xmas decoration.  |
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Post by chicago on Jan 31, 2013 10:10:25 GMT -5
Casper, you are the man!
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Post by casper on Jan 31, 2013 15:32:45 GMT -5
Thanks ! it's great living in california low of 35 high of 70.I wear shorts year around .I am getting a step up on you while it's freezing outside !!
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Post by chicago on Feb 1, 2013 10:42:23 GMT -5
-22 here right now with the sun out!  |
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Post by Allu on Feb 1, 2013 15:52:49 GMT -5
Looking good, those cards are a great way to learn
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Post by casper on Feb 1, 2013 18:35:14 GMT -5
keep it simple !!
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Post by avengingangel on Feb 8, 2013 16:04:24 GMT -5
I'm going to order me one of those! I got some cash for my birthday I haven't spent yet!
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Post by archorn on Feb 11, 2013 13:52:09 GMT -5
Does anyone know the degree range for the optimizer (like the tiberius have 0-9 degrees and the killjoy 0-6) Thought i could try to calculate what ranges the optimizer give for the different settings when mounted on another apr.
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Post by chicago on Feb 11, 2013 13:59:26 GMT -5
Great idea.
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Post by archorn on Feb 11, 2013 14:05:49 GMT -5
Yeah will probably save a lot of paint but i don't have the right tools to find out the degree range so hoping someone does or know them allready
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Post by archorn on Feb 11, 2013 18:49:55 GMT -5
played around a little with a water pass a tiberius apr and uv halos graph for first strikes at 300 fps (drop vs distance graph) i should note that i am not sure if any of this is mathematically correct or if the graph can be used this way (will think more about it when i have more precise numbers) Anyway i found that the optimizer at full tilt was about equal to 3 clicks on the apr and one click is about 0,5 degrees so the optimizers range is about 0-1.5 degrees then i checked the strip for 300fps and found that when maxed it is set to about 79 yards. Checked the graph (asuming that the scope is zeroed at 20 yards) and found that from 20 yards to 79 yards there is about 180 inches of bullet drop which means that for 0.5 degrees there is about 60 inches bullet drop. This and the graph tells us that: Opt+0 deg=20-79 Yards +0,5=52-90 +1=68-97 +1,5=78-105 +2=90-111 +2,5=97-116 +3=105-121 +3,5=111-126 +4=116-130 +4,5=121-134 +5=126-139 +5,5=130-142 +6=134-145 +6,5=139-149 +7=142-152 +7,5=145-155 +8=149-159 +8,5=152-161 +9=155-163 Remember these numbers are not completely accurate and made after a fps of 300 Edit: Downloaded the same program uv_halo used for his graphs (free software hawke-chairgun-pro.software.informer.com/)will experiment with it later when i have more time and if someone else doesn't do this before me |
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Post by archorn on Feb 12, 2013 5:06:18 GMT -5
Used Chairgun pro and the assumption that the optimizer is 1.5 degrees and got these results for 280 fps when your scope is at an height of 5.7" (scope+HHA+tib apr+t9.1):
When you zero at 20 yards you can't shoot over something closer than 20 yards (your PoI will be 0,251" bellow your aim at 10 yards)
when you zero at 30 yards your shot will impact 3,8" above your target at 15 yards
when you zero at 40 yards your shot will impact 9,3" above your target at 20 yards
these range estimates are for when you zero at 20 yards:
Optimizer+ 0 degrees=20-68 yards
+0,5=48-75
+1=59-81
+1,5=68-86
+2=75-91
+2,5=81-95
+3=86-99
+3,5=91-103
+4=95-106
+4,5=99-109
+5=103-113
+5,5=106-115
+6=109-118
+6,5=113-121
+7=115-123
+7,5=118-125
+8=121-127
+8,5=123-129
+9=125-131
These are for when zeroing at 30
Optimizer+0 degrees=30-71
+0,5=52-79
+1=62-84
+1,5=71-88
+2=79-91
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+9=127-133
Zeroing at 40
optimizer=40-74
Seems the best option (if you use an optimizer and another apr) is to zero at 20 since 30 and 40 doesn't seem to give more than 3 or 4 yards at 0 deg and only about 2 or 3 when at max tilt and 20 never hit to high because you are too close. (my personal opinion anyway)
Remember this probably isn't exactly correct but it might be close. Need an exact degree range for the optimizer to be sure
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Post by archorn on Feb 12, 2013 5:52:49 GMT -5
Here are my optimizer numbers Using a Tiberius adjustable riser(apr) and tiberius scope zeroed at 50 yds apr 1 click. 50 yds opt. 0 60 yds opt. 15 70 yds opt. 30 80 yds opt. 55 90 yds opt. 75 100 yds opt. max went 3 clicks on the apr. some wind info.Had a slight intermitant cross wind (right to left) maybe 2-4 mph.At 70 yards had to go 2 dots right.80 yds 3 dots right.90 yds 4/5 dots 100 yds just saying more . Next round of work I am going to go 2 or 3 clicks on the apr (optimizer at zero) and zero the scope.The optimizer tape on the dial is the stock one. I made marks on the numbers to go with distance.Thoughts or additions?? What Fps did you have and did you only add clicks on the apr when you reached 100 yards? My way of calculating seems to tell me that you fired at 300 fps if you only added clicks when going for 100 yards and it also says that 2 additional clicks where needed for 100 yards. I don't think that there will be any big difference if you zero when your tib apr is at 0,1,2,3 or even 6 clicks. The apr and optimizer work by tiliting your scope down so that you have to aim higher. if you are zeroed at 50 yards your optimizer will give the same results (since it adds the same tilt) no matter what tilt the apr have when the scope is zeroed. Like the card on the tank, will probably do something similar but using something like this www.wtfpb.com/MOLLE-Paintball-Airsoft-Intel-Panel-Playbook-INTEL.htm so that i have the card on the inside of my forearm in a perfect position to peek at when in an aiming position (on the forearm of the hands that hold the marker steady not the one that pulls the trigger). |
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Post by avengingangel on Feb 12, 2013 12:25:46 GMT -5
I'm assuming the first one (,two) numbers are clicks on the Tiberius riser? How do you get a half click and that equals so many yards (or feet?)
Sorry, I'm a girl. And, I hate math.
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Post by archorn on Feb 12, 2013 13:06:04 GMT -5
No problems i'm kinda bad at explaining anyway
if you mean the +1=59-81 stuff it has been shortened, the full form can be seen at the top of each pile of numbers in this shape
Optimizer+ 0 degrees=20-68 yards
this means that the full form of the fist set of numbers i mentioned actually should look like this
Optimizer+1 degree=59-81 yards
(didn't have enough patience/time to do this for every result)
oh and every click on the tib apr is around 0,5 degrees so i have a result for each click on the tib apr
the First number means the degree the tiberius or killjoy riser is at (one click on the tiberius equals about 0,5 degrees) so if the first number is +3 it means that the apr is at 3 degrees (6 clicks for the tib)
The numbers after the = means the range in yards that the optimizer will give so if it says =86-99 it means that the range you get from the optimizer is 86 to 99 yards.
Good enough?
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Post by casper on Feb 14, 2013 11:49:58 GMT -5
Great math!!I was shooting at 300-305 fps.Math hurts my brain !!So with a riser and optimizer the limit of adjustment at 300 fps is 100 yds.I can live with that.
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Post by chicago on Feb 14, 2013 12:01:25 GMT -5
I'm assuming the first one (,two) numbers are clicks on the Tiberius riser? How do you get a half click and that equals so many yards (or feet?) Sorry, I'm a girl. And, I hate math. , next time you go to math class put this in your board:  |
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Post by mercenary on Feb 14, 2013 12:50:21 GMT -5
Great math!!I was shooting at 300-305 fps.Math hurts my brain !!So with a riser and optimizer the limit of adjustment at 300 fps is 100 yds.I can live with that. both outleveled only 100yards? APR2 and Optimizer right? |
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