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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 4, 2011 14:36:11 GMT -5
Since this forums very existence makes half the paintball world mad, I thought I would push us over the top. I wanted your opinions on weather milsim is good or not for paintball. I see it as just another marker, but most people don't have such an objective view. There are those who hate milsim, and those who love it. Those who hate milsim claim that it gives us a bad name and that there is no need for look alike markers. Those who are for it claim other wise. My opinion is, is that milsim is OK, so long as its used properly and responsibly. Strutting down the street with your M4 is a no no(DUH). But hating adn spiting people who have milsims is not the answer either. I am not limp wristed nor do I just blow off the issue, I try and stay objective. I see it as a good training for the real deal, or to simulate what our boys are doing over seas. On the other hand, misuse is greatly frowned upon by me. I don't hate milsim, but I don't think that ALL markers should be look alikes. I opt towards more mature way of thinking( i guess). Play smart and stay objective. What are your thoughts on milsim? P.S. I would like to state that I am the first to reach the 100 post mark on this forum  ( yah for me) |
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Post by Wolfen on Mar 4, 2011 17:57:44 GMT -5
i think Milsim is a part of paintball the same as pump markers or speedball markers. I don't personally do much of milsim (well the t9.1 is milsim ish) because most of the milsim markers are too heavy with too little preformance (more on looks). Do i think it should be around though? Absolutely! there's a lot of people who love milsim and if paintball didn't give them that then they would do airsoft or something insted. As for the likeness between milsim and real gun... unless you ain't seen a weapon before it's kind of hard to mix the two up. I've heard stories where cops haven't seen the difference between a 98 custom and a mp5... (guess he missed the feedneck, asa, gas lines, barrel size, and so on and so on) but c'mon |
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Post by chicago on Mar 4, 2011 19:20:01 GMT -5
As long as milsim doesn't end up as fanatical as airsoft (or whatever there are called). I'm ok - just another marker that some people like to look a certain way. We, paintballers, all like the way our guns look else sooner or later we'll be trading them in for what we saw that we really liked. So, we all play on the same fields. Not like those snobie, obscessed air guys.
--- Edit: that's another reason you need Paintball in the title above, "ACES - The Paintball Sniper Forum" else we might end up attracting those jerks here with just the word sniper in the title.
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 4, 2011 21:49:30 GMT -5
I like how you guys are not bigoted to milsim or non milsim. I'm starting to like the class of guys hear, very mature and not the asshats on PBN
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Post by wild on Mar 5, 2011 0:55:18 GMT -5
to milsim or not to milsim, i have played with players and team mates who have had one or the other marker or both. the one thing i know is that these players were very effective with the markers they used weather it was milsim or not.
i think my opinion is this, do you know what works for you and your style of play.if you do then who cares what it is, use it.
Ive seen players use a marker and gear to perfection, both milsim and not milsim, and at the same time ive seen players use gear that i knew wasnt right for them and it was clear when it came time to play.
i think milsim is more than just a weapon its a style of play. and those who chose to pursue paintball markers and gear that look like the real thing. are only capturing a part of what milsim is if there style of play doesn't also have a tactical side to it.
MilSim is an abbreviation of Military Simulation, and refers to military simulations conducted by civilians for entertainment purposes. There are several forms of MilSim: airsoft games, paintball games, and video games simulating military scenarios and tactics.
Weapons used in MilSim are commonly airsoft or paintball guns. Airsoft guns are used more often in MilSim than paintball guns due to their availability as replica weapons without any modification. Paintball guns commonly require modification to be considered a replica; the basic components of paintball guns often inhibit the ability to convert them to replica weapons such as the hopper or gas tank. These components can be hidden or modified such that they do not interfere with the appearance of the gun.[1]
MilSim most often falls into two different categories: reenactment and simulation. Reenactments focus on a particular event in history and aim to provide the most accurate representation of the time period, events and outcomes of the historical event. Simulation however may only focus on a particular time period and representation of which course a particular situation may have taken in history. In most cases a simulation event includes fictitious characters, groups and political situations.[2]
while i have nothing against air-soft i would prefer not to sift through air-soft posts looking for paintball. i vote keep this a paintball only place, but don't exclude milsim.
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Post by UrbanSniper on Mar 5, 2011 2:14:48 GMT -5
As long as milsim doesn't end up as fanatical as airsoft (or whatever there are called). I'm ok - just another marker that some people like to look a certain way. We, paintballers, all like the way our guns look else sooner or later we'll be trading them in for what we saw that we really liked. So, we all play on the same fields. Not like those snobie, obscessed air guys. --- Edit: that's another reason you need Paintball in the title above, "ACES - The Paintball Sniper Forum" else we might end up attracting those jerks here with just the word sniper in the title. I Like milsim, however like stated ^^ it can go to far.... |
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Post by majorghost on Mar 5, 2011 8:07:36 GMT -5
Anything that gives paintball diversity is good. Everyone is a bit different and wants to play in a different style. MilSim is for those of us that want to play "soldier" and use markers that simulate real guns. We want to use military/swat tactics and to play in scenarios.
This is a very heated topic and has exploded on other forums. I give you guys credit for keeping it civil. I have had people argue that there is no "milsim" in paintball and that it has no place in paintball because you just can't do "milsim". People like that are close-minded... just look around. Its a growing industry.
I agree with Wild on the 2 parts of milsim: reenacting and simulation. That's an excellent view of the style.
Now, does everyone here agree to what exactly makes "milsim" paintball? What is it? Equipment? Clothing? Tactics on the field?
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 5, 2011 9:51:06 GMT -5
If agree, you mean like... Milsim is a style of playing, look, and just an overall feel of the game, not just a cool looking marker. Then yah, I agree.
I dont like the guys who have a look alike just to be cool and act like hes something important. On the other hand, I also don't like the guy who takes his role TO seriously, like most air soft people do.
P.S. I dont have anything against air soft players or the game it self. In fact, I was getting into air soft the same time I was getting into paintball. I see paintball more as a sport, and a good simulator. But I see air soft as getting as close to the real thing as possible, which is to say that its not a game anymore( to me). I treat it as a purpose built simulator that has no other purpose than to train for the real thing.
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Post by majorghost on Mar 5, 2011 11:30:35 GMT -5
How about this, since we seem to all agree that milsim paintball is alright ... what aspects of it are good?
I know there is always team work in the game, but I feel there is a different team work in milsim play. There are roles/positions that your team leader uses to complete the objective.
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Post by skullcandy1993 on Mar 5, 2011 15:40:18 GMT -5
Please excuse my going off topic, but I have one thing to interject really quickly...MilSim is the wrong title for what we do. Military is not just the war aspect. The war aspect is part of the military, but there is more to it than that. Really what we do is play war games, but WarGam doesnt sound as cool as MilSim.
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Post by majorghost on Mar 5, 2011 16:27:33 GMT -5
The issue with using "war games" is the word "war". Its a bit sensitive to some, as it implies all of what war is about.
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 5, 2011 17:43:24 GMT -5
Got MajorGhost..errr...Sniper Queen Thest look alike markers mostly resemble military guns. So thats where Milsim comes from. Good aspects of milsim: Its good training for the real deal fire arm( learning how to use a gun, without shooting anyone(and it killing them)) You can practice with real tactics, not just come up with them in your head and hoping they work THERE REALLY COOL LOOKING |
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Post by Hitman4Hire on Mar 11, 2011 12:28:12 GMT -5
Imo when discussing Milsim u can not say Milsim is just gun replica, rules, or a style of play. What Milsim means to me will differ to others due to regional application and perception. The positives i like from Milsim paintball are tactics, limited ammo and not playing in a contained environment.
To debate if Milsim is good for paintball is a different topic all together. I would argue that "Milsim genre" paintball is the upward trend and perhaps even the driving force in the industry at the moment. Paintball and in particular speedball has always catered to and promoted to youth. With Milsim i see more mature new players, and mature players have disposable income. Maybe im wrong but i see a trend happening.
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Post by majorghost on Mar 12, 2011 0:03:44 GMT -5
The most difficult part is defining the term to please everyone. That won't ever happen. I personally believe milsim is a combination of a whole bunch of things:
Gear
Tactics
Style of play (using real world gun handling techniques)
Realistic ammo limits
Limits to the markers (tac-caps, only a few gunners)
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