Optics

[syko89]

I am currently running a tiberius fsr with a 3x9 mildot scope. Was wondering if a crossbow scope with the range estimate sight grid and a hha optimizer rail have enough vertical adjustment for fs rounds or would it still be best with a riser. Just trying to get the height down

[ghost0302]

Someone wiser than me indicated that is the case. The link is below, hope it helps!

snipertalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=otherfirst&action=display&thread=871

[Allu]

From our great Trinitys blog
trinity-tangodown.blogspot.fi/search/label/HHA%20Optimizer
"Crossbow-based devices (like the Hawke XB30 and the HHA Optimizer) will get you zeroed without elevation and will be able to take you out to about 60 yards. To get out further than 60 yards you generally need the ability to elevate your rail."

There is a lot more food for thought there too

[savage]

Trinity was right as usual about using an adjustable riser to get out past 60 yards. The one problem i noticed through in play is that the extra time it takes for the fsr to hit a target beyond 60 yards is an issue. If an opponent is completely still and doesnt know they are being shot, longer range shots from 70-90 yards are possible but i couldn't manage to make them connect on a regular basis in play. If you are worried about the height of the riser, maybe consider not using it and keeping the engagements at 60 yards or less. At 60-70 yards FSR rounds are very accurate(for paintball).

[Allu]

I do agree, leading the target on those longer ranges is indeed a difficult skill to master and for general play 60 yards or less will be more than enough.

However the great thing with the FS is that it does go BEYOND 60 yards in a relatively consistent manner, which open up the possibility for those extreme long range elimination.

This, of course, require substantial training and sight systems to match, an adjustable raiser playing a key role.

To compare with real rifles, not everyone can make a 1000 yard shot, and of those who can, only a few can make the shot in battle, and even fewer can make it consistently.

To sum it up, I agree with savage, determine YOUR effective range, and set up your platform according to that, raisers do present their own complexity to the aiming solution, but for specific purpose, that is what is needed.

In the end the key is for YOU to be as effective as possible on the field.

Don't know if that made sense...

[syko89]

Actually thinking about it I can't think of a spot on my local field that I would be able to get a shot out past 60yrds

[trinity]

Thanks for the nice words Savage and I agree with your observations on the flight time for first strikes at longer ranges. Many, many players have decided that sixty yards is the perfect engagement distance for their style of play and there is no arguing that first strikes are just deadly at that range.

Flight time and wind are two of the main reasons behind my belief that the maximum effective range for first strike rounds is about 75 yards. Can you gets kills at longer ranges? Sure, no question. I've gotten lots of them, but am I confident enough of hitting another player at 90 yards that I would give up a hidden, valuable position by pulling the trigger? No, unless it was some extremely high-value target. A puff of wind or a bit of body movement by the target and you have a miss and a blown position. On the other hand, at 70-75 yards I am very confident of getting a kill.

[casper]

Trinity is right !I zero my red dot at 50 yds the drop even at 50 is nominal.I have snaged quite a few players at 100 no wind and lasered .The drop is like 5 feet at 100 yards travel time is 3 seconds.Great for snagging fat and in the back guys.50 yds is pushing it with a pb thats 150 feet. 70yds is 210 ft.I work out to 80 and screw around with anything above that.My vids are all made at 50 yd zero and I get a great grouping.

[savage]

Aug 23, 2013 12:23:12 GMT -5 syko89 said:

Actually thinking about it I can't think of a spot on my local field that I would be able to get a shot out past 60yrds

That's a good thing to think about. If you really only ever play at a field without long streches of cleared areas you may not even need a magnified scope. The drop at ranges beyond 60 yards can be considerable the further out you go, which means needing to make sure you have enough room for the flight path(tree's present a problem). UV halo has some data posted on a few forums that gives some numbers for it. Before deciding though take another look at your field to see if there might be some spots. Tree's/limbs/brush can make it difficult but their might be some "loop holes" there you just never noticed.

[syko89]

Yeah I can think of quite a few especially a nice Hill about 40yrds in front of the castle would be a good spot