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Post by lobo on Mar 6, 2013 11:20:25 GMT -5
Hi everyone, it's Lobo here, longtime lurker, first time poster. Note: search button is no bueno.
I've been shooting FS out of my Milsig Paradigm Pro for several months now and looking for improved consistency. I currently run a 3-9x40 Leapers Scope with the TA APR 2.0. I have had great success in terms of connecting to targets and eliminating players up to 70 yards, but I am looking to switch to a Hawke (just ordered) for added consistency.
My question is, with the XB1's 20,30,40,50,60 MAP lines, how much do you think I'd have to adjust on the APR for shots beyond 60 yards (60-100) if my original zero is at the factory recommended 20-30 yards? I am planning on using the Hawke BC soon, but I wanted to get some input here.
P.S.- JJRON, your vids are awesome and serve as inspiration for many newer FS users. Keep it up. Same goes to the info provided by all here. I see you Trinity and Chicago!
Thanks,
Lobo
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Post by lobo on Mar 6, 2013 11:21:33 GMT -5
BTW, let's assume it's 285 fps.
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Post by ruraldawgs on Mar 6, 2013 11:37:12 GMT -5
I run a 9.1 with Lapco 683 rifled underneath my XB1 1-5x32 (mounted on APR2), HPA regulated at 460 and chrono-ed at 270.
I zero at 20 yds with a slight noticeable drop at 30 yds.
I have the APRv2 tweaked back maybe 8 degrees (3 lines + a hair on device). Its very hard to tell and maybe my guess-estimate is wrong here.
My map lines are right on as I move to further distances in a target practice environment. Have not been past 70 yet (but have seen plenty of vids past 70).
When yours comes in we should collaborate. Im in the dry air of Phoenix. Humidity should be noted maybe because of my location.
BTW, APR refers to the KillJoy product, while the FSR Riser refers to the TA product. They are different but inclination measuring should be the same if we use protractors
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Post by lobo on Mar 6, 2013 12:55:09 GMT -5
Thanks, yeah, it's the fsr. I am located in Southern California, so our humidity and temp are not too far off (I play in desert conditions). Thanks for the quick response.
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Post by trinity on Mar 6, 2013 15:09:39 GMT -5
Hi everyone, it's Lobo here, longtime lurker, first time poster. Note: search button is no bueno. I've been shooting FS out of my Milsig Paradigm Pro for several months now and looking for improved consistency. I currently run a 3-9x40 Leapers Scope with the TA APR 2.0. I have had great success in terms of connecting to targets and eliminating players up to 70 yards, but I am looking to switch to a Hawke (just ordered) for added consistency. My question is, with the XB1's 20,30,40,50,60 MAP lines, how much do you think I'd have to adjust on the APR for shots beyond 60 yards (60-100) if my original zero is at the factory recommended 20-30 yards? I am planning on using the Hawke BC soon, but I wanted to get some input here. P.S.- JJRON, your vids are awesome and serve as inspiration for many newer FS users. Keep it up. Same goes to the info provided by all here. I see you Trinity and Chicago! Thanks, Lobo With than scope and APR combination you won't have any trouble reaching out to longer ranges. Personally, I don't do a lot of shooting beyond 75 yards, but if you do the testing as to where your paint is landing you should be able to reach around 100 yards without any problem. This is the place to be if you're interested in accuracy. I have been all over the Internet and the best shooters are here. We even have JJron, our own celebrity. You can tell when he is at an event. He is the guy in camouflage signing autographs. He let's Chicago and I carry his first strikes and clean his rifle. |
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Post by lobo on Mar 7, 2013 1:32:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Trinity. I see you are from Eureka. I live in SoCal now, but I am from Mendocino County boy at heart.
I have been struggling with the decision to switch from my Leapers 3-9x40 to the Hawke 3x32. I am well aware of the advantages of using a designated crossbow scope, but I guess I am a bit anxious about transitioning to a new system. While mil dots on a riflescope are not the most reliable for FS, I have become fairly efficient with the adjustable riser. Like you said in your blog in reference to the HHA Opt., you use no holdover. The FSR helps me do the same. With the Hawke XB, I can't imagine using the riser as more than, well, a flat riser as the MAP lines are essentially holdover points.
In the end, I know it is probably better to switch to XB. Here's a question...when I zero the XB, should I start with the FSR flat or give myself a few clicks? The Hawke BC tells me that the bottom line of the MAP equates to 59 yards @280 fps with a 30yd zero. I tend to shoot from 30-70 yards.
Lastly, is jjron using a crossbow scope or riflescope?
Thanks.
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Post by DJmatt123 on Mar 7, 2013 1:56:02 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but I don't think that the XB 3x32 is what you want. I don't believe it is adjustable for fps. The two that are adjustable are the XB1 and the XB30. The XB1 has alot more crosshairs for greater distance and is about the same price as the XB 3x32 you are looking at. From what I can tell, I should be able to sight mine in at 40 yards for the top crosshair and the bottom crosshair should be set for about 95 yards at the minimum power. I've also figured out the yardages for using it with max power which will fall into the 40-65 range. (It works out to about 7 yards between crosshairs at min and 2 yards between crosshairs at max) This way it's easy to zoom in if needed and quickly set it back to the power that you have already figured out ranges for. Hope I haven't been to confusing trying to explain it....lol.
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Post by lobo on Mar 7, 2013 2:03:30 GMT -5
That makes sense Matt. Hence, why I had a bit of premature buyer's remorse after not looking around enough. Ultimately, the bottom ranges out to 60 from a 20 yd zero, which is fine by me for now. I'll probably move up to a XB30 soon enough. At 60 yds, I achieve the goal. I'm gonna have to learn how to integrate the FSR 2.0 with this scope. I plan on getting the HHA Optimizer as well. I'll make due for now.
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Post by DJmatt123 on Mar 7, 2013 2:18:07 GMT -5
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Post by trinity on Mar 7, 2013 13:54:17 GMT -5
I have a slightly different perspective on optics. I happen to like riflescopes. I don't want to give anyone the impression I am opposed to crossbow scopes. I have an Hawke scope on my T9.1. Its bright and a real pleasure to use. The T9.1 is the gun I pick up when I will be playing a more mobile, marksman-like game. Often that translates to supporting front-line players where most of my shots happen from 50-60 yards away. The T9.1 is light, quick, has an 8-round mag and the Hawke scope's multiple reticles make it perfect for that kind of fast, accurate shooting. I also use the T9.1 when I play as a spotter.
My SR1 is my go-to sniper rifle. For a short time, the Hawke was mounted on it, but my trusty Bushnell Banner quickly replaced it. Why? I don't like a fixed power scope on my sniper rifle. I know the Hawke's are variable power scopes, but that variable power is only used to adjust the distance between the reticles when setting it for you FPS. Once you have zeroed the crossbow scope, you can't adjust magnification. If you do, you lose your zero. For sniper work I am constantly playing with the zoom on my scope. When I am moving, the scope is set on its lowest power. When I am in a hide, I zoom the scope out to that magnification that lets me see the area I am watching for targets. At very long range, I like all the magnification I can get.
Until very recently, my Bushnell was that scope. I have just replaced it with a Nikon M-223 with internal range finder. The Nikon also has a bullet-drop compensator in the reticle which when used in conjunction with the Optimizer will be the perfect paintball set-up for me. The Nikon is clearly a better scope in every department but that Bushnell has been on one gun or other of mine for about ten years and leaving it in the gear closet, is like losing a teammate.
I was also trained using mil-dots and I happen to like them a lot. I think they can be used very effectively with first strikes. If I were making your decision, I think I would first put an Optimizer under that Leapers scope and see how that combination works for you. If you're comfortable with mil-dots and the rest of your scope, I believe that spending money on an Optimizer will give you a better accuracy return. The Optimizer is so much more precise that either the FSR or APR. Later, if you do decide to go to a crossbow scope you still can put the Optimizer underneath it.
I don't remember for sure what JJRon is using, but I believe it is a riflescope. I will check with him ( or look at his press clippings) and let you know.
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Post by jjron99 on Mar 7, 2013 21:50:34 GMT -5
I use both. In SG43, I used a BSA Catseye rifle scope that I found used $25 at my local pawnshop. For SG44, I wanted to try something new. I used a non branded no-name Chinese made crossbow scope that I purchased for cheap online. Between the two, I do like the rifle scope better because despite its size, the big objective lens gave it a brighter view. The crossbow scope, because of its smaller size, i was able to be more mobile, being able to crawl underneath bushes without being snagged or fit in tight spots has saved me a number of times.
Both scopes has served me well which can supports that you really don't need to spend a fortune on optics to make accurate shots. However, for the upcoming SG45, I recently purchased a high end rifle scope which cost more than the marker that is mounted on. I won't share the price and model yet because it's really too embarrassing to share at the moment but I did buy it as a factory refurbished so I got 50% off retail.
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Post by lobo on Mar 8, 2013 0:17:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys. I'll probably run the Hawke on my Tacamo once they release the new bolt. It should make for a good rifleman set-up for urban fields.
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Post by dusty27 on Mar 8, 2013 9:30:35 GMT -5
Trinity,
I just looked at that Nikon scope. It's a beast!
Pretty cool stuff. I like the idea of an internal rangefinder however I don't regret getting the Vandette system.
I would love to see a picture of your main rig with the new scope and optimizer combo when you get around to posting it.
Very cool.
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Post by trinity on Mar 8, 2013 12:39:19 GMT -5
The Nikon M-223 has been my dream scope for a long time. I just wasn't willing to pay for it. For over a year I hunted everywhere for a used one in good shape. Recently, I found one that had never even had the battery put in it. Pictures are coming but my rig is partially torn down because I am doing some barrel testing. As soon as I get that finished and decide which of the barrels that i am testing will be my permanent barrel, then I can put everything back together and take photos.
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Post by jjron99 on Mar 8, 2013 19:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by trinity on Mar 8, 2013 20:09:25 GMT -5
The Burris Eliminator was the other scope I had in mind. If I had come across the Burris for a good price while I was looking I wouldn't have hesitated to buy it. It will be interesting to see them side by side at Supergame. Great piece of gear. |
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Post by jjron99 on Mar 8, 2013 20:18:20 GMT -5
Great minds think alike! The one I got is a Bushnell yardage pro range finder riflescope. The only thing I don't like so far is it's big, bulky and if I get a little bit of paint on the objective lens, it won't read at all. I'm really glad you got a similar scope. I had serious buyers remorse. Now I don't feel so bad.
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Post by DJmatt123 on Mar 8, 2013 22:00:21 GMT -5
I love the Burris automatic bullet drop compensator illuminated mil dot but wonder if it could be calibrated for paintball trajectories....I doubt it....
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Post by svenskpojke on Apr 6, 2013 7:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by chicago on Apr 6, 2013 8:46:20 GMT -5
Damn looks good. Says it's new. inproduction yet? And what's the price?
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and my buying itch has started to annoy me again!!