Tiberius Arms T15

[skullcandy1993]

First pictures of the Tiberius Arms T15. Thoughts?

[svenskpojke]

mixed feelings looks nice, but almost too real!?

[chicago]

Then try it in bright blue:

[svenskpojke]

Im in!

[ruraldawgs]

Lime green please ;-)

[skullcandy1993]

Pictures of the magazine:

[svenskpojke]

oh it is some kind of plasticfantastic!

[chicago]

Mr. Skullcandy, Sir: Thank you for the reveal. You just saved my real eotech from getting dipped. I must own this thing, this T15. "It tasks me...from hell's heart I spit at thee..." That's where my eotech is moving to. No dipping for her now!

[skullcandy1993]

Feb 27, 2013 15:25:58 GMT -5 svenskpojke said:

oh it is some kind of plasticfantastic!

and it looks like the magazines twist the FS rounds so that it can do the 180 turn at the bottom.

I am guess we are looking at 17 or 18 round magazines

[skullcandy1993]

Feb 27, 2013 15:27:17 GMT -5 chicago said:

Mr. Skullcandy, Sir: Thank you for the reveal. You just saved my real eotech from getting dipped. I must own this thing, this T15. "It tasks me...from hell's heart I spit at thee..." That's where my eotech is moving to. No dipping for her now!

I am glad to be of assistance. I am just as excited about this marker as you guys. I had planned to spend this season working on my pistol game, but that plan might very well go out the window.

[nessy]

Yeah, it looks pretty. IMHO though, I feel that this is a desperation move by Tiberius. They knew that they rushed the 4.1 and it flopped against the like of the Para Pro, Dye DAM, SAR 12, SR1, TGR2, and even their own 9.1. This is them trying to get a competitive marker to go up against these up and comers and they know that they have a whole lot of ground to gain back in this fight. Maybe if Tiberius actually showed that they supported their own markers instead of letting them die (a la the T4), I might have faith in Tiberius as a marker manufacturer. They make great pistols, but until they listen to their consumers about what WE want in a FSR ready rifle, they will never compete in the rifle market. (I'm not including the 9.1 in that. Just their rifle only 4 and 4.1)

It is pretty, and looks rather strong and functional. Unfortunately, as long as Tiberius continues to neglect their rifles and not provide the level of support to them as they do their pistol line, I'm afraid that I can't, in good conscious buy any rifle Tiberius makes.

Air through the grip? It's not a Tippmann. It's a Tiberius. Give me CO2 in mag or air through stock. I'm not running with a vest and tank attached to my back and a remote line.

Hopper adapter? When I think Tiberius, I think FSR. Nope. This isn't a Dye DAM and I'm sure the DAM would be better than this.

This looks like they are trying to go up against the Para Pro the way they designed this thing.

Now because of the way they treated their other rifle platforms, it left quite a sour taste in my mouth, which has left me bitter and biased toward any rifle platform they come out with. I, for one, am not very impressed with this. I do hope that they can change my mind.

[chicago]

why is this picture being blocked and by who?




Ok, how about a direct cut and paste!




what the hell!

[nessy]

I see it just fine, Chicago.

[skullcandy1993]

Feb 27, 2013 17:00:51 GMT -5 nessy said:

Yeah, it looks pretty. IMHO though, I feel that this is a desperation move by Tiberius. They knew that they rushed the 4.1 and it flopped against the like of the Para Pro, Dye DAM, SAR 12, SR1, TGR2, and even their own 9.1. This is them trying to get a competitive marker to go up against these up and comers and they know that they have a whole lot of ground to gain back in this fight. Maybe if Tiberius actually showed that they supported their own markers instead of letting them die (a la the T4), I might have faith in Tiberius as a marker manufacturer. They make great pistols, but until they listen to their consumers about what WE want in a FSR ready rifle, they will never compete in the rifle market. (I'm not including the 9.1 in that. Just their rifle only 4 and 4.1)

It is pretty, and looks rather strong and functional. Unfortunately, as long as Tiberius continues to neglect their rifles and not provide the level of support to them as they do their pistol line, I'm afraid that I can't, in good conscious buy any rifle Tiberius makes.

Air through the grip? It's not a Tippmann. It's a Tiberius. Give me CO2 in mag or air through stock. I'm not running with a vest and tank attached to my back and a remote line.

Hopper adapter? When I think Tiberius, I think FSR. Nope. This isn't a Dye DAM and I'm sure the DAM would be better than this.

This looks like they are trying to go up against the Para Pro the way they designed this thing.

Now because of the way they treated their other rifle platforms, it left quite a sour taste in my mouth, which has left me bitter and biased toward any rifle platform they come out with. I, for one, am not very impressed with this. I do hope that they can change my mind.

Ok, I'm going to try to respond to all of your points, sorry if I miss one.

First, "the T15 is a 'desperation move' by Tiberius." Seriously? Designing a new marker that is nothing like any of your companies other markers is not an overnight thing. It doesn't look rushed at all, actually well thought out with what features we are aware of right now.

To say that Tiberius rushed the T4.1 is a complete joke. It wasn't a rush for them at all. Did it do well against the market's other offerings? No. But what you have to remember is that the T4 and the T4.1 were both designed to be less lethal platforms. Yes they have been ported over for paintball, but that was not their intended use. In the paintball world we are always looking for the next big upgrade, but in the military world I can't imagine that they want to buy a product that they have to update every 3 months because a new barrel came out or because a new magazine came out. They want to buy a product that they can use completely stock and doesn't need any upgrades to perform well. The T4 and the T4.1 both do that. The T9 and the T9.1 were Tiberius' answers to the paintball world asking for an affordable FSR platform, not the T4 and T4.1. They do provide good support for their T9 and T9.1 markers, consistently pushing those rather than the T4 or T4.1. Every time I see a post on a forum or facebook asking "Which FSR rifle should I buy?" I always see one of the Tiberius reps suggesting the T9.1 instead of the T4 or the T4.1.

Depending on the price point, I believe that this new marker will command more of the FSR rifle market (after it is released) than the T9 or the T9.1 do now.

As for the "Air-Through-Grip", that is entirely speculation, as much about this marker is. They might have just thrown on an ASA to show that that is an option. While I think that the CO2 in the magazine is a brilliant concept for a pistol, it doesn't work so well for a rifle in my opinion. Even with Tiberius markers and Milsig markers, I still see lots of people using remote lines and tanks on their backs. That isn't something that is only allowed to be done with Tippmann markers.

Hopper adapter? Yes. That is simply an intelligent business move. The ParaPro has one, the DAM has one, while most people won't use it, some might. It would be foolish of Tiberius to not offer that option and cut out a portion of their market. Don't want to use it? Just leave the cover plate on and it's all gravy.

In comparing this to the other magfed offerings, they all have their merits, and they all have their drawbacks.

T15 vs ParaPro
-Very similar in look
-Both have hopper adapters
-Both accept FSR, however the T15 has a significantly larger FSR capacity (12 vs 18)
-T15 accepts AR furniture, ParaPro does not

T15 vs TGR2
-T15 has adjustable velocity (TGR2 you have to change the springs)
-Very similar in look
-T15 has a hopper adapter
-Both accept FSR
-T15 accepts AR furniture, TGR2 does not

Anything vs DAM
-Mechanical vs Electronic
-DAM was marketed to use the hopper
-DAM is air through grip only, T15 is still unknown.

T15 vs SAR12 or SR1
-To me this would be an irrelevant comparison because the markers are being marketed to fill different roles. The T15 is being marketed as an anything/all around/whatever you want it to be type marker and depending on the way the operator sets it up it will be seen as different things. The SAR12 or SR1 on the other hand...they are sold as sniper rifles and you can't really use them as anything else because of their features.




I personally think that this is the best thing that Tiberius Arms could have come out with, I'm not saying that this makes them the leaders of the market again, but I definitely think it is a gigantic step in the right direction. Also, because this is an entirely new platform rather than a simple update of an old one (T9 to T9.1 or T4 to T4.1) I think it would be wrong to be biased against it.

Just my .02 on yours

[nessy]

You make many good points, skullcandy. I am just bitter because I wanted a T 4.1, and didn't see much support for it. I did jump the gun on this one, and some of my points hold no merit. My apologies for that and I hope I did not offend.

I said it was a desperation move because the T 4.1 was just recently released and now they are coming out with a new platform. The 4.1 came out late last year to compete if I remember correctly, since there wasn't much advertising or hype up of the 4.1. It just kind of came out, and now there are pics of a marker which looks to be quite a ways a long in terms of development. While you are right that this is probably a prototype of some kind, the timing just strikes me as odd.

I stand corrected on the 4.1's primary purpose. You are correct. Please disregard my comments about it being rushed out into the market.

I do hope that this marker is less than what is out on the market now. Most all the FSR markers on the market are $900+. If the price point was lower, this would be huge. My question is this though: Was this also one of their less lethal platforms or is this made specifically for paintball?

I know that the DAM is the only one with the air through grip. I said Tippmann because when I looked at the grip, it reminded me of an X-7. If air through grip is an option, and it is interchangeable between stock and grip, that would be a huge selling point.

I don't like hopper adapters. Like I said, I look at Tiberius and I think FSR. Perhaps I am just spoiled and need to open my mind up to the thought that there are people out there who would definitely use this with a hopper.

I agree with all your comparisons. My comments and judgement were quick on the trigger and childish. I will try next time to really think things through and make a more educated and well thought out response. Also, I will not reply on my phone, because that's what I replied on. ^_^

[skullcandy1993]

Feb 27, 2013 18:37:13 GMT -5 nessy said:

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No offense taken, just trying to set the record strait the best I can.

Anyways...NEW INFO FROM A SOURCE ON FACEBOOK

Predicted price is somewhere in the range of 500-650, which leads me to believe it will be a very strong contender against the Mk3, ParaPro, and TGR2. No price points on extra magazines or any further details as of right now.

[dusty27]

Excellent discussion. I think this marker comes as a big surprise and I must admit I share some certain hesitancy about it. I really want to see this marker become their flag ship model and get the care and attention the T9 got. It took a long time for the T4 to get a rifled barrel and other accessories due to its low production numbers. I just don’t want to see the T15 get sidelined like the T4.

A purpose built platform and competitive price are going to give it a serious edge in the market but I think a lot of what it is going to come down to is how consistent a velocity it can maintain with HPA.

I would love to see someone independent get a straight from factory the following markers… (plus any I might have missed).

The Para Pro, the 468, the newest Phenom, the SR1, the TGR2, the T4.1, SAR12 and the T15 all in one firing range on the same day with tech reps from each company and see how each of the markers velocities chrono in at under the same conditions. Perhaps next Paintball Extravaganza?

[chicago]

I'll volunteer. I know it is a heavy burden. But, I'm up for it. I've never represented or been sonspored by any of these people.

I've aready contacted Eric. Let's see if they can stand up to indepenendent review by a professional in the field of testing!

[skullcandy1993]

According to a source on MCB the following are facts:

• There is an option for a Air-Through-Stock
  
• The magazines can fit 19 First Strike rounds OR a 'relaxed' 20 paintballs
  

I am getting more and more excited about this marker

[mercenary]

Tanks for the update!

THIS IS AWESOME