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Post by PzPicklez on Mar 1, 2011 23:23:56 GMT -5
Aight. I'll go ahead and look for a sexy suppressor if ur interested
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Post by UrbanSniper on Mar 2, 2011 1:50:46 GMT -5
Yes they used to make suppressors for paintball guns a long time ago, they were made by "taso" and they were called "rain covers". they don't make them any more because the government banned them to an extent (that's a long and controversial story) and you generally can't use them on public field if you happen to own one....BUT there is a man by the name of "Titus" on MCB who makes "rain covers" that fit over 1in OD barrels (I think it's 1inch) for about $40. shoot him a PM if you want one. Paintball Silencers are "iffy," especially in canada. Theres lots of controversy over whether or not they are legal or not, I know theres a massive thread on MSEP. But I know in Canada if you get caught with a real silencer its something like 5 yrs in prison and $250000 fine, so I'd call the local police department and see what they have to say before undergoing anything. Last thing we want is someone to get in a bunch of trouble over a paintball silencer .
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Post by Wolfen on Mar 2, 2011 3:36:55 GMT -5
Suppressors work great and is really easy to build it's a shame that getting licence for one in the US is such a pain
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Post by UrbanSniper on Mar 2, 2011 19:09:58 GMT -5
Suppressors work great and is really easy to build it's a shame that getting licence for one in the US is such a pain Plus they cost some $$$ aswell. I cant even get a suppressor , there completely illegal for me.
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Post by PzPicklez on Mar 2, 2011 22:56:44 GMT -5
I'm not worried about it being illegal my home field wouldn't mind it.
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Post by UrbanSniper on Mar 3, 2011 0:32:39 GMT -5
I'm not worried about it being illegal my home field wouldn't mind it. Its not necessarilly whether or not the feild will allow it, its if you get caught with it in your possesion it could get you in a bunch of trouble. I'd just call the local police department and ask them they should clear it up with you about the regulations. a reversed ported mock suppresoor wouldnt be an issue.
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 3, 2011 13:10:09 GMT -5
I did some digging into the suppressor/silencer laws.
First off, I found this on the Spec OPS forum. All credit is given to CptObvious of the Spec Ops forum. He is the one who wrote the following text, and he did the research on this subject.
VVVVVV by CptObvious VVVVVV
Here is the low-down on silencers; This sorta pretains to real suppressors...but I figured this would give ya'll some idear as to where they're allowed and such.
Contrary to popular belief, removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors are legal to own under federal law. There are, however, 16 states, plus the District of Columbia , that prohibit the civilian ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors. At this time, the following states allow private ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD,MS, MT, ND, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA,WV, WI, and WY. Of the sixteen states which do not allow civilian ownership, CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow class 3 dealers and class two manufacturers to possess removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors.
Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors, like machine-guns, are proscribed under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, and are regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. The procedure for owning a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors may seem daunting at first, but actually requires less paperwork than buying an automobile. The buyer then has the chief law enforcement officer (Sheriff, Chief of Police, head of state police agency, district attorney, a judge with the power of arrest, or any other law enforcement officer approved for this procedure by the National Firearms Act branch of the BATF) sign the rear of the Form 4 attesting the prospective purchaser does not possess a criminal record and is not wanted. The two fingerprint cards must be completed and signed by a law enforcement agency. The completed paperwork is then sent to the Department of the Treasury with a check or money order for $200.00. The $200.00 is known as a transfer tax, as it must be paid each time ownership of the removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors is "transferred" (in this case, the dealer to the prospective purchaser). As long as the silencer is owned by the same person, the tax need not be paid again. Only if the owner sells it will a new transfer tax need to be paid. An owner may will his silencer to a lawful heir, with no tax incurred.
Once the paper work is submitted, it normally takes less than sixty days to receive the approved, stamped paperwork from NFA Branch. It is only upon the return of the approved paperwork that the dealer can allow the prospective purchaser to take possession of his new silencer. A copy of the approved paperwork must accompany the silencer at all times (the original should be stored in a safe deposit box). Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors can be transported to other states which allow their ownership, but to transport a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors into one of the sixteen states which prohibit private ownership can subject the owner to serious state felony charges.
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 3, 2011 13:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 3, 2011 13:15:18 GMT -5
My whole point would be that THIS IS PAINTBALL. And paintball is still considered a game. Silencers/suppressors/rain covers should be allowed. It has been proven on many court cases that paintball and paintball markers ARE NOT WEAPONS. There for there should be no concern if they are silenced/suppressed.
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Post by Wolfen on Mar 3, 2011 14:02:32 GMT -5
i know someone in the US what made a suppressor for paintball and sent it into ATF for approval. He did get it but after that he had to contact the state he was in as well. Well about 4 months after he sent it in he got it back and was allowed to use it. Mind you though he spent about 35 USD making the suppressor and another 250 for the rest.
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 3, 2011 14:35:07 GMT -5
I don't see a point in registering them. But hey, if you have the money and time, then have fun.
In the legal world, these are still toys( sorry guys), so why register "toys"? You could if you wanted, but the only thing required to register is fire arm related things.
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Post by skullcandy1993 on Mar 3, 2011 15:17:20 GMT -5
@vortex - you are right, its just such a pain to go about doing all of that legal work.
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Post by UrbanSniper on Mar 3, 2011 18:28:37 GMT -5
Well for us Canadains we can't have them even for real firearms, our gun laws are strict unfortunatly. I dont think the issue necessarily that pball markers can't be silenced. Its the fact people could make real silencers and say they are for the paintball gun. The fact still remains in the US anyway that they are supposed to be registered, yea its a pain, yea its expensive for a darn pball silencer, but it is law . If you still wanna do it thats fine, but atleast you know the risk. take a look at this thread..... they go over lots of stuff www.milsimempire.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=9153&hilit=silencer
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 3, 2011 21:20:27 GMT -5
To be on the safe side, sure you could register them. But other than that, dose anyone else have a problem with silencers/suppressors?
I do agree that some wise crack would try and apply this to a real gun, and end up getting him self in trouble, but thats his problem. Unfortunately, in this modern day and sue happy age, you can never be to giving in your knowledge. So I vote for no forum posting of "How to" on silencers. Pics are ok, but no instructions posted on the forum. Agreed?
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Post by skullcandy1993 on Mar 3, 2011 23:50:41 GMT -5
Yes, vortex you are correct. If you make a working suppressor/silencer then great for you, and please...show us pictures or videos or however you feel like showing us, but DO NOT post a how to. Any how tos on the subject will be removed immediately, and the staff will watch you even closer (and you really dont want that)
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Post by Wolfen on Mar 4, 2011 7:10:55 GMT -5
Actually modifying a paintball silencer to a real rifle is retarded, the materials you'd most likely use would break instantly on a real rifle (not to mention that it would be a lot easier to make a silencer for a rifle out of scratch rather then trying to modify a paintball one.
As for deleting all How to on silencers i think it's wrong since theres tons of countries where they're very much allowed (however as i suggested at some point these posts should ONLY be posted in regional forums (in regions where they are allowed)) which is to say that not at all at the moment since we don't have any regional forum yet.
that being said posting a how to at all is kind of unnessesary since there's tons of sites already describe different ways to make one, and im not going to post one myself. I just don't think that it would be fair to everyone to ban things simply because it's a controversial subject somewhere. I mean there are countries where the use of HPA tanks for paintball isn't allowed that shouldn't mean that nobody here is allowed to discuss HPA tanks... Just do it at the right place
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on Mar 4, 2011 14:15:09 GMT -5
Good points Wolfen.
I got one though. Maybe we should restrict non members from viewing How To's on silencer making, basically have a "members only"section of the forum.
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Post by PzPicklez on Mar 4, 2011 15:44:19 GMT -5
I agree with vortex on making a members only area.
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Post by Wolfen on Mar 4, 2011 17:47:57 GMT -5
that would work
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Post by UrbanSniper on Mar 4, 2011 20:15:25 GMT -5
As long as people are informed and understand that there are restrictions regarding them (in certain regions) it should be fine. I just don't want any members making one and end up in trouble or something.
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