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Post by gubment on May 28, 2011 16:05:02 GMT -5
Alright I have seen on a couple of forums that I frequent the " burlap/jute vs synthetic vs hunters ghillie" arguement and personally I am sick of it. Especially since I use a Spec Ops Ag and get crap about using it, ironically on the Spec Ops forum. I want to know whether you think that a type of ghillie/ sniper camo is all out better than another or is this debate just the sniper's version of a d!ck measuring contest? Also, I want to know is there such a thing or is it possible to make the perfect ghillie suit or at least make one better.
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Post by Wolfen on May 28, 2011 16:20:46 GMT -5
i think ghillie or cammo in general is pretty much own preferences and the style of play you have. For example a ghillie doesn't work too well for me most of the time since i rely on stealthy moving rather then lying somewhere waiting to ambush someone (a full blown ghillie is too bulky and clumsy to move around a lot in). If i do play defensively then there's nothing wrong with a ghillie, but most of the time i prefer a 3-d leaf suit instead since it gives ME better movement ability and doesn't get stuck in things. (I.e NO i do not think that there's a ghillie/cammo that would always be better then others).
As for how you can improve on a ghillie or cammo there's a few things (think they're posted in "camouflage" thread but i can repost). First of all you always want a camo that has colors that match the field you play. This means that you either have to be able to modify your cammo or have several different ones that you can choose from when you get to a field. To easily modify a Ghillie or cammo, roll around a bit on the ground so that the ghillie picks up leaves, twigs from the ground (this will make it blend in better). Also you can add some vegetation from the surrounding to your suit to make it blend in more. There's suits out there that's specifically designed so that you add the vegetation from your surrounding to it to make the camouflage (they got tons of straps where you can but the vegetation) These works great but you have to be mindful how you make it and ever so often you need to chance your vegetation as you change spots.
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Post by Allu on May 28, 2011 17:37:02 GMT -5
As already posted somewhere, if it's stupid and works, it's not stupid.
As an extreme example, if your hiding in a warehouse with pink carpets, a fluffy pink overall might be the best cammo, It's always relative.
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Post by majorghost on May 28, 2011 21:23:59 GMT -5
The biggest reason and most important reason most people use the synthetic material is for safety. It doesn't burn. Burlap and Jute are terrible if you don't treat them, or the treatment washes out (see the ghillie safety thread). I personally found the Spec Ops ghillie to be restrictive to where it works (at least for me where I play). It resembles leaves very. very well, but not tall grasses and brush. It can be too dark and creates a shadow in the woods. If you play in a darker woods then that's a good thing. I found many ghillies are much too dark to start with. You can improve a ghillie in many different ways, the best is what Wolfen mentioned, to match the environment you are hiding in. The best way, use the stuff you are hiding in on your ghillie. Simple and effective. However, be careful not to over do it and try to hard to improve your ghillie. You want to match more than just one section of a field. I posted it already but the sniper tog is a great tool in that. Its made so that you can add and subtract ghillie material and natural vegetation easily.  I am curious, do you have pics of you hiding? I would love to see them. |
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Post by gubment on May 28, 2011 22:16:46 GMT -5
AG is perfect for me as far as movement goes. It is more tailored for leaves than grass and I made mine to work more with the dried leaves of fall and early spring which are the two seasons I wear it. I want to modify it so it can work better with grassy enviroments. I think I can get patches that has elastic that you can put brush and stuff in. I dont have a lot of pictures of my ghillie but here's one. Attachments:
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Post by gubment on May 28, 2011 22:19:31 GMT -5
the picture above was my suit as of late '09 i believe. I have a vest that i use with my suit ( a spec ops operative vest) that I added ghillie to on the back so it would blend better in that type of enviroment now but still needs work. I actually have video of my suit but it isn't uploaded to anything.
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Post by majorghost on May 28, 2011 23:02:53 GMT -5
I know it was posted already, but I believe that when used properly, any ghillie will work. Its that split second it takes for your eyes to see a human or not. If you are in a pile of leaves and don't move, chances are players will walk right past.
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Post by Lt.Col.Vortex on May 28, 2011 23:16:43 GMT -5
Nice mustache:) Anyways, I can kinda make out it( because I know to look for it). But other than that, it looks great( well, at least the part I can see  |
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Post by gubment on May 29, 2011 1:07:38 GMT -5
the guy with the mustache is my friend brad. You may not notice but im actually behind a small branch with leaves still on it and Im laying in a small dibbet in the ground so that helped fade my outline. I love my suit and have no plans on replacing it with anything else, just want to know whether im the only one that believes that all ghillie suits are more or less the same( you all have clearly shown that you agree with on that, thank you for that) and what can be incorporated to make it better. I want to get the vegetation patches and add those to see the improvements but the weather here is hot and humid. although I was thinking of incorporating aspects of other ghillie suit designs but not sure if I should or even what to add in the first place.
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2011 19:52:24 GMT -5
Fantastic post, sadly I don't have much to contribute to it other than I'm a burlap and jute guy myself... which on retrospec probably makes me an idiot as I live in southern california.
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Post by majorghost on May 29, 2011 20:21:13 GMT -5
Actually for matching the brush, burlap and jute are better. I used to use it a lot until I found synthetic.
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Post by gubment on May 30, 2011 3:54:02 GMT -5
Thank you for the compliment Archangel. I believe that a comment or piece of information that is truthfully stated and is meant to beneficial to all can be useful. And thanks to you and Majorghost, I think Im on to something.
Spec Ops AG uses vinyl "leaves" to replicates real leaves and it does a good job. The picture I posted above is proof of that. I also mentioned that I wear a vest over my suit that has the same vinyl leaves attached to the back as well. Now, i'm think synthetic burlap or jute(safety reasons) and attach it onto the edges of the vest like around the neck, arm openings and the bottom edge around the beltline, plus other points on the vest and have it hang of to farther fade my outline and to let the material drape over the arms and legs some. Then add the vegetaion patches I mentioned then I will hopefully be utilizing all of them in a very effecient way. what do you think?
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Post by Wolfen on May 30, 2011 4:31:53 GMT -5
I think that it can work really really well. Having materials drape over your arms and legs will hinder your movement somewhat but if your style of play is to go slow and hide then this won't really matter at all. Also since no one as mentioned it on this thread: If you play on many different fields then adding neutral colors (brown, khaki,olive...) will help your camo be more versatile since these colors exist in all terrains (for example: green doesn't ). This will make it more all round and then being able to add vegetation to it will make it useful in most environments. If you don't play on many different fields then this won't be nessesary since the what you use now works VERY well in that surrounding (im judging from the pic only) |
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Post by gubment on May 30, 2011 12:15:12 GMT -5
that makes since and a "universal" color scheme is what I'm pushing for. I don't travel a lot but my homefield and the woods in my area in general change in terrain frequently. It goes from a leafy forest floor to briers to bushes and plants to dried "field grass". So something that can do well in all of those areas will be a benefit, especially when I do travel or when my field finally adds that extension to the field(fingers crossed). The material that I was going to have draped wouldn't past my elbow and knees. that way it shouldn't effect my mobility.
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Post by wolfspyda on Jun 9, 2011 9:57:55 GMT -5
I saw this and no one has posted this site as of yet. This is the same stuff and setup that Law Enforcement and Army use. I think this would be ideal for a paintball Sniper. My plan was to get some of the Spec Ops Density UpGrade kits from there Sniper suits and add it to one of these Sniper Hoods found on www.tacticalconcealment.com/ I was aiming at the either the Viper Ultralite with cape and the Armadilo Ultralite chaps. Once I get my full setup I will show you what im thinking, but most of you will get the idea. |
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Post by Mule on Jun 9, 2011 17:06:45 GMT -5
Those look like overpriced concealment vests like the one majorghost posted which normally go for like 50$
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2011 2:21:04 GMT -5
I've read good things about the viper hood, but the price is pretty high when you consider the material cost.
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Post by gubment on Jun 13, 2011 16:28:10 GMT -5
That is really expensive, at least for my budget. Then again, the stuff sold on that site is tailored to actual snipers. The ghillie tog pictured above would be a more affordable equivalent, but thats my opinion.
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